orange sky - nice intro .
mindflair - nice drums .
i've been exploring the "hard rock"/"metal" genre over the last few years and the thing that really hurts this genre is vocals. honestly, if bands concentrate their efforts on the music to express themselves and completely remove or limit the vocals, they will be easier to listen to. some of the people in this genre are really good musicians but the genre has a bad rep. plus it's one of the few genres that deal with darker themes in life.
Hmmm...mindflair isn't really a metal band, they are more of a grindcore/crustcore band. They started off, back in 1994, as a more of a death metal band, but changed immensly throughout the years. Most people don't know what crust/grindcore is, or that it even exists! (ahem...hey there Pointman ) It is often compared to the hardest music that most people know, which happens to be heavy metal, but there are huge differences between the types of music. Anyhow, in music such as mindflair makes, the vocals are extremely important, but they are not used like in many other music types. The vocals are considered as another instrument, not as actual vocals. Mindflair doesn't like the word "vocals", they much more prefer the word "voices" which fits to the description much better. Music doesn't always need a nice voice where you can understand each and every word (in mindflair's case, you really can't understand much of anything unless you really know the lyrics ), but in that case it could be well compared to classical music...Mozart or Beethoven made beautiful music which was very capable of expressing many emotions and feelings completley without words or lyrics...only instruments.
It's nice to see that people in this forum are interrested in different types of music without degrading or insulting what they might not happen to like.
You are definately right when you say that such bands deal with the darker (or serious) themes in life. That's why the voices sound so aggressive...to express their feelings towards different topics.
By the way, they also have an official website of their own... www.mindflair.de.vu check it out if you like
never heard of crunchcore until you mentioned it. the idea of "voices" instead of vocals certainly differentiates it from the “metal” i was thinking of.
when i was more musically active, i didn't hear much of anything from europe. most of the stuff was american or british or "distributed" through america - i.e. the import scene. but this was something i didn’t have the money to follow. a friend recorded a tape for me with some bands from europe like coroner, bathory, entombed, ..... coroner and entombed were good. fortunately things are easier to distribute now.
i read that alot of music in the last few decades follow two distinct traditions. there’s the “blues” tradition and then there’s the “punk” tradition. it seems like mindflair seems more in line with the punk tradition. orange sky seems more blues-influenced. from my understanding, the “punk” approach is a bit more experimental than the traditional “blues” approach – like a reaction to orthodoxy. this might explain why it seems important for mindflair to stay “underground” and why orange sky doesn’t mind so much increased exposure and popularity. chacon son gout as the french say.
Actually it's called crustcore, not crunchcore, but that's ok. Crunchcore sounds cool too.
Mindflair is more crindcore that crustcore, but we listen to both. Anyhow, I like reading how you write...very nice & interesting. You could be right with the blues & punk theory, there are always many punks at their concerts, even though the european punk is much different than crindcore, but somehow we all seem to stick together most likely because our way of thinking and our points of view towards life are similar.
We don't see anything wrong with people being, or wanting to be famous. There's also nothing wrong with the fact that people want to make a living through producing music. Of course we also listen to quite a few famous bands. The only thing that bothers us is the fact that very many famous musicians expect way too much money from their fans. More than they require to make a (even very luxiourious) living. That's just something mindflair could never combine with their good concience. When mindflair was offered to perform with Korn, they refused, not out of fear of becoming famous, but more because of the fact that they (Korn) said from the start how much money they were expecting for the performance... I don't know if you know the band D.R.I.? Anyhow, they are from the States and are pretty famous & have been around for over 20 years. Even though they are famous, they don't make a big deal out of it. For their 20 year anniversary tour, they only performed in small underground places and their tickets costed 6 Euro! That's what we enjoy seeing amongst musicians...honest dedication towards their fans. They even came up to us after the show, shook all of our hands and said "thank you very much for coming to our show!" That's the kind of thing we prefer. But like you already said...to each his own, or chacun a son gout.
And, by the way, believe it or not, we also enjoy listening to good blues. Very often, driving in the car before a concert, we really enjoy the ride with good, mellow blues. I even listen to stuff like the grateful dead, janis joplin & the doors.
I also must admit, during the world cup, I saw people like Shurwayne Winchester, Calypso Rose, Iwer George, Black Stalin, Roy Cape, The Laventille Rhythm Section, and others perform here in Kaiserslautern & it was a blast!!! I enjoyed it very much! The music may not be my first choice, but it was great nonetheless. The atmosphere was incomparable. My boyfriend was there as well, and he (as a drummer) was fascinated by the Laventille Rhythm Section! As you can see, we may not choose to listen to every type of music, but we are always open for new experiences.
Here is a link which kind of describes the definition of grindcore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindcore in case you may be interested