Who know all de community fields in T&T?

[Sam]

Who know all de community fields in T&T?

And where does get de best crowd.

[Tallman]

This is by no means a comprehensive list, and there may be some duplicates or incorrect names, but it's a start.

Caroni
Agostini Settlement Recreation Ground, (Ward of Chaguanas)
Caparo Recreation Ground, (Caparo, Ward of Chaguanas)
Chaguanas Recreation Ground, (Endeavour Village, Ward of Chaguanas)
Charlieville Recreation Ground, (Charlieville, Ward of Chaguanas)
Chickland Recreation Ground, (Chickland, Ward of Montserrat)
Coronation Recreation Ground, (Ward of Cunupia)
Couva Recreation Ground, (Town of Couva, Couva Ward)
Cunupia Recreation Ground, (Chin Chin Junction, Cunupia, Ward of Chaguanas)
Dr. Lange Memorial Park Recreation Ground, (Montrose Village, Ward of  Chaguanas)
Edinburgh 500 Recreation Ground
Enterprise Recreation Ground, (Enterprise, Ward of Chaguanas)
Flanagin Town Recreation Ground, (Village of Flanagin Town, Ward of Montserrat)
Frederick Settlement Recreation Ground, (Frederick Settlement, Ward of Cunupia)
Homeland Gardens Recreation Ground (Cunupia)
Las Lomas No. 1 Recreation Ground, (Las Lomas No. 1, Ward of Cunupia)
Las Lomas No. 2 Recreation Ground, (Las Lomas No. 2, Ward of Cunupia)
Macaulay Park Recreation Ground, (California, Ward of Couva)
Madrass Settlement Recreation Ground, (Madrass Settlement, Ward of Cunupia)
Munroe Road Recreation Ground, (Munroe Road, Ward of Chaguanas)
Preysal Recreation Ground, (Ward of Montserrat)
San Francisco Recreation Ground, (Ward of Montserrat)
San Pablo Recreation Ground, (Off Todd Station Road, Ward of Chaguanas)
Sir Hubert Rance Park Recreation Ground, (Marc Street, Ward of Chaguanas)
St. Mary’s Recreation Ground, (Ward of Chaguanas)
Tabaquite Recreation Ground, (Village of Tabaquite, Ward of Montserrat)
Todd’s Road Recreation Ground, (Todd’s Road, Ward of Chaguanas)
Woodford Lodge Recreation Ground

Mayaro
County Ground Recreation Ground, (Plaisance Village, Ward of Guayaguayare)
Guayaguayare˜Recreation Ground, (Guayaguayare, Ward of Guayaguayare)
La Savanne Recreation Ground, (New Lands, Guayaguayare Ward)
Mafeking Recreation Ground, (Mafeking, Ward of Cocal)
Ortoire-Mayaro Recreation Ground, (Ortoire Village, Ward of Guayaguayare)
Pierreville Recreation Ground, (Mayaro, in the Ward of Guayaguayare)

Nariva
Biche Charuma Recreation Ground, (Charuma Village, Cocal Ward)
Biche-Ortoire Recreation Ground, (Biche, Ward of Cocal)
Boos Settlement Recreation Ground, (Rio Claro-Mayaro Road, Ward of Cocal)
Brothers Road Recreation Ground, (Brothers Road Village, Ward of Charuma)
Cushe Recreation Ground, (Cushe, Ward of Charuma)
Dades Kill Deer Recreation Ground, (Kill Deer Village, Charuma Ward)
Ecclesville Recreation Ground, (Ecclesville, Cocal Ward)
Libertville Recreation Ground, (Libertville, Charuma Ward)
Rio Claro Recreation Ground, (Rio Claro, Ward of Cocal)
San Pedro Recreation Ground, (San Pedro, Charuma Ward)
Shell Park Recreation Ground, (Rio Claro, Charuma Ward)
Union Recreation Ground, (Union, Cocal Ward)

St. Andrew
Carmichael Recreation Ground, (Carmichael Village, Ward of Tamana)
Coalmine Recreation Ground, (Coalmine, Ward of Turure)
Coryal Recreation Ground, (Coryal Village, Ward of Tamana)
Cumaca Recreation Ground, (Cumaca, Ward of Valencia)
Damarie Hill Recreation Ground, (Guaico, Ward of Turure)
Fishing Pond Recreation Ground, (Ward of Manzanilla)
Four Roads-Tamana Recreation Ground, (Ward of Tamana)
Guaico Tamana Recreation Ground, (Guaico Tamana, Ward of Tamana)
James Smart Recreation Ground, (James Smart Village, Ward of Turure)
Lower Cumuto Recreation Ground, (Lower Cumuto, Ward of Tamana)
Manzanilla Recreation Ground, (Ward of Manzanilla)
Marlay Oval Recreation Ground, (Town of Sangre Grande, Ward of Manzanilla)
Matura Recreation Ground, (Matura Village, Ward of Matura)
Monte Cristo Recreation Ground, (Sangre Grande, Ward of Turure)
North Manzanilla Recreation Ground, (North Manzanilla, Ward of Manzanilla)
Ojoe Road Recreation Ground, (Ward of Manzanilla)
Paharry Village Recreation Ground, (Paharry, Ward of Manzanilla)
Plum Mitan Recreation Ground, (Ward of Turure)
Rampanalgas Recreation Ground, (Rampanalgas Village, Ward of Matura)
Salybia Recreation Ground, (Ward of Matura)
San Louis Recreation Ground, (Cunapo, Ward of Turure)
Sangre Chiquito Recreation Ground, (Sangre Chiquito, Ward of Manzanilla)
Upper Cumuto Recreation Ground, (Upper Cumuto, Ward of Tamana)
Upper Cunapo Recreation Ground, (Upper Cunapo, Ward of Turure)
Valencia Recreation Ground, (Ward of Valencia)
Vega de Oropouche Recreation Ground, (Vega de Oropouche, Ward of Manzanilla)

St. David
Allandale Recreation Ground, (Cumana, Ward of Toco)
Cumana Recreation Ground, (Ward of Toco)
Grande Riviere Recreation Ground, (Grande Riviere, Ward of Toco)
L’Anse Noire Recreation Ground, (L’Anse Noire, Ward of Toco)
Matelot Recreation Ground, (Matelot, Ward of Toco)
Montevideo Recreation Ground, (Ward of Toco)
Toco Recreation Ground, (Ward of Toco)

St. George
Auzonville Recreation Ground for Children, (Tunapuna, Ward of Tacarigua)
Bamboo Grove No. 1 Recreation Ground, (St. Joseph, Ward of Tacarigua)
Bamboo Grove No. 2 Recreation Ground, (St. Joseph, Ward of Tacarigua)
Boundary Road, El Socorro Recreation Ground, (El Socorro, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Bourg Mulatresse Recreation Ground, (Bourg Mulatresse, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Brazil Recreation Ground, (Brazil, Ward of San Rafael)
Brian Lara Recreation Ground, (Santa Cruz, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Cantaro Recreation Ground, (Santa Cruz, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Carenage Recreation Ground, (Carenage, Ward of Diego Martin)
Constantine Park Recreation Ground, (Tunapuna, Ward of Tacarigua)
D’Abadie Recreation Ground, (D’Abadie, Ward of Arima)
Dibe Recreation Ground
Diego Martin Recreation Ground, (Diego Martin, Ward of Diego Martin)
El Dorado Recreation Ground, (Tunapuna, Ward of Tacarigua)
Fillette Recreation Ground, (Fillette, Ward of Blanchisseuse)
Five Rivers Recreation Ground, (Five Rivers, Ward of Tacarigua)
Four Roads Recreation Ground, (Diego Martin, Ward of Diego Martin)
Henry Street Recreation Ground, (Arouca, Ward of Tacarigua)
Kelly Village Recreation Ground, (Kelly Village, Caroni, Ward of Tacarigua)
Knowles Street Recreation Ground, (St. Augustine, Ward of Tacarigua)
La Reconnaisance (Lopinot) Recreation Ground, (Lopinot, Ward of Tacarigua)
Malabar Recreation Ground, (Malabar, Ward of Arima)
Maracas Recreation Ground, (Maracas, Ward of Tacarigua)
Maraval Recreation Ground, (Maraval, Ward of Diego Martin)
Maturita Recreation Ground, (Maturita, Ward of Arima)
Morton Street Recreation Ground, (Tunapuna, Ward of Tacarigua)
Morvant Recreation Ground, (Morvant, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Mt. Pleasant Recreation Ground, (Mt. Pleasant, Arima, Ward of Arima)
New Barataria Recreation Ground (San Juan, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Park Lane Recreation Ground for Children, (St. Joseph, Ward of Tacarigua)
Sir Solomon Hochoy Recreation Ground, (Blanchisseuse, Ward of Blanchisseuse)
Sosconusco Recreation Ground, (Santa Cruz, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Spring Village Recreation Ground, (Curepe, Ward of Tacarigua)
St. Joseph Recreation Ground, (St. Joseph, Ward of Tacarigua)
St. Lucien Recreation Ground, (Diego Martin, Ward of Diego Martin)
Success Village Recreation Ground, (Success Village, Ward of St. Ann’s)
Talparo Recreation Ground, (Talparo, Ward of San Rafael)
Tunapuna Recreation Ground, (Tunapuna, Ward of Tacarigua)

St. Patrick
Beaulieu Recreation Ground, (Cedros Village, Ward of Cedros)
Buenos Ayres Recreation Ground, (Erin, Ward of Erin)
Clark-Rochard Recreation Ground, (Rochard Road, Ward of Siparia)
Coronation Park Recreation Ground, (Point Fortin, Ward of La Brea)
Erin Recreation Ground, (Erin Village, Ward of Erin)
Fyzabad Recreation Ground, (Delhi Road, Fyzabad, Ward of Siparia)
Gopee Trace Recreation Ground, (Abdool Village, Penal, Ward of Siparia)
Granville Recreation Ground, (Granville Village, Ward of Cedros)
Guapo Recreation Ground, (Gonzales Village, Ward of La Brea)
Icacos Recreation Ground, (Icacos Village, Ward of Cedros)
Irois Forest Recreation Ground, (Irois Forest Village, Ward of Cedros)
Irwin Park Recreation Ground, (Siparia Village, Ward of Siparia)
La Brea Recreation Ground for Children, (La Brea)
Mendez Trace Recreation Ground, (Coora, Ward of Siparia)
Palo Seco Recreation Ground, (Palo Seco Settlement, Ward of Erin)
Penal Recreation Ground, (Penal, Ward of Siparia)
Penal Rock Road Recreation Ground, (Penal Rock Road , Ward of Siparia)
Point d’Or Recreation Ground, (Point d’Or Road, Ward of La Brea)
Point Ligoure Recreation Ground, (Point Ligoure, Point Fortin, Ward of La Brea)
Rochard-Douglas Recreation Ground, (Rochard-Douglas Road, Ward of Siparia)
Rousillac Recreation Ground, (Grants Trace, Rousillac Village, Ward of La Brea)
San Francique Recreation Ground, (San Francique Road, Ward of Siparia)
Scott Road Recreation Ground, (Scott Road, Ward of Siparia)
Siparia Recreation Ground
Teschier Recreation Ground, (Teschier Village, Point Fortin, Ward of La Brea)

Tobago
A. P. T. James Park Recreation Ground, (Scarborough)
Bon Accord Recreation Ground, (Bon Accord)
Carnbee-Mt. Pleasant Recreation Ground, (Mt. Pleasant)
Charlotteville Recreation Ground, (Charlotteville)
Goodwood Recreation Ground
Louis d’Or Recreation Ground, (Louis d’Or, Parish of St. Paul)
Lucy Vale Recreation Ground, (Lucy Vale near Speyside)
Mason Hall Recreation Ground, (Mason Hall)
Montgomery Recreation Ground
Mt. Grace Recreation Ground
Mt. Pleasant Recreation Ground
Mt. St. George Recreation Ground, (Mt. St. George)
Plymouth Recreation Ground, (Plymouth)
Roxborough Recreation Ground
Scenic Park Recreation Ground, (Scarborough)
Shaw Park Recreation Ground, (Government Farm)
Speyside Recreation Ground
Table Piece Recreation Ground (Les Coteaux)

Victoria
6th Company Recreation Ground, (6th Company, Ward of Ortoire)
Basseterre Recreation Ground, (Basseterre Village, Ward of Moruga)
Chapman Park Recreation Ground, (Hermitage Village, Ward of Naparima)
Cocoyea Recreation Ground
Cumuto Village Recreation Ground, (Cumuto, Ward of Savana Grande)
David Williams Recreation Ground (Lachoos Road, Ward of Moruga)
Gangaram Recreation Ground, (Gangaram Road, Ward of Ortoire)
Garth Road Recreation Ground, (Princes Town, Ward of Savana Grande)
Gasparillo Recreation Ground
Gran Chemin Recreation Ground, (Off Moruga Road, Ward of Moruga)
Independence Park Recreation Ground, (Grand Chemin, Ward of Moruga)
Johnson Recreation Ground, (Torrib-Tabaquite Road, Ward of Ortoire)
Knollys Recreation Ground, (Princes Town, Ward of Savana Grande)
Kumar Village Recreation Ground, (Williamsville, Ward of Savana Grande)
Kunjal Recreation Ground, (Kunjal Road, Ward of Savana Grande)
La Lune Recreation Ground, (La Lune, Ward of Moruga)
Lumsden Recreation Ground, (Gasparillo, Ward of Pointe-a-Pierre)
Macaulay Recreation Ground, (Macaulay, Ward of Pointe-a-Pierre)
Marabella Recreation Ground, (Marabella, Ward of Naparima)
Mohess Road Recreation Ground, (Mohess Road, Ward of Naparima)
Naggie Road Recreation Ground, (Hindustan, Ward of Ortoire)
New Grant Recreation Ground, (Nariva-Mayaro Road, Ward of Savana Grande)
Penal Rock Road Recreation Ground, (Off Herrera Trace, Ward of Moruga)
Plaisance Recreation Ground, (Plaisance Village, Ward of Pointe-a-Pierre)
St. Mary’s Village Recreation Ground, (Moruga Road, Ward of Ortoire)
Tableland Recreation Ground, (Tableland, Ward of Ortoire)
Union Recreation Ground, (Union Road, Ward of Pointe-a-Pierre)

[Deeks]

Ward of Montserrat  Did not know that. Imagine in my youth days playing in the St. Joseph savannah and did not know we in the ward of Tacarigua. How the hell they come with that creation? Taca own the whole of Central St. George. What ward the QPS in?? What ward Aranguez in. What about the Barataria Oval?

[Bakes]

Brilliant stuff Tallman... Trinidadians really eh know how good we have it.  Granted some of these fields might be no more than cow pastures, but in a country as small as ours we have so many community fields.  I think we take for granted the resources we have.

[Deeks]

Boundary Road, El Socorro Recreation Ground, (El Socorro, Ward of St. Ann’s)    This might be Aranguez.

[Coop's]

Brilliant stuff Tallman... Trinidadians really eh know how good we have it.  Granted some of these fields might be no more than cow pastures, but in a country as small as ours we have so many community fields.  I think we take for granted the resources we have.

     Could you imagine that and people still want stadiums build in areas where they can have easy access to watch Football.Tallman you are a genius to come up that stuff.

[Deeks]

Brilliant stuff Tallman... Trinidadians really eh know how good we have it.  Granted some of these fields might be no more than cow pastures, but in a country as small as ours we have so many community fields.  I think we take for granted the resources we have.

     Could you imagine that and people still want stadiums build in areas where they can have easy access to watch Football.Tallman you are a genius to come up that stuff.

Aye Coops. How things Breds.  But most of those ground good for community and rec. sport. Not condusive for pro sports.

[Football supporter]

Brilliant stuff Tallman... Trinidadians really eh know how good we have it.  Granted some of these fields might be no more than cow pastures, but in a country as small as ours we have so many community fields.  I think we take for granted the resources we have.

     Could you imagine that and people still want stadiums build in areas where they can have easy access to watch Football.Tallman you are a genius to come up that stuff.

The issue is not the fields, it's their maintenance and upgrades. The corporations will allow teams to maintain the fields but will not give them control. So you can spend $100k preparing a field and then people come and play small goal, fete match and rugby in the rain on your lovely field and it dries out to be unplayable. Clubs will spend money on local fields but they must also be given control of the venue.
Alternatively, councils should get behind their local team, as in Point Fortin and many, many towns worldwide. It's great for community spirit, it brings money into the community and raises the towns profile. We need people with vision in the corporations.

[Flex]

Dom Basil Recreation Ground in La Romain.

[KND2]

The purpose of these community teams is to allow recreation for the nation

cannot give it into control of football because then ordinary man cannot go and play on it.

Football teams need to aquire land and build their own private fields.

or have a team set up in an area that already have a stadium

for example

you have the arima veledrome

we go and build a stadium in malabar by the high way

No proteam play in the veldrome and no crowd in malabar.

Why not just build a team around the veledrome and use some money to build up and maintain the veledrome. Instead of spending money on new stadium.

That might have been the better option.

[D.H.W]

The purpose of these community teams is to allow recreation for the nation

cannot give it into control of football because then ordinary man cannot go and play on it.

Football teams need to aquire land and build their own private fields.

or have a team set up in an area that already have a stadium

for example

you have the arima veledrome

we go and build a stadium in malabar by the high way

No proteam play in the veldrome and no crowd in malabar.

Why not just build a team around the veledrome and use some money to build up and maintain the veledrome. Instead of spending money on new stadium.

That might have been the better option.

From my interactions with the Arima Mayor years ago  , getting anything done requires money from the government. Since its under the control of the borough. I fed up here people say they fixing it and nothing happen.

One of the best places to train. Track football or cycling. Shame the field in a mess and the Track get pulled out.

If the velodrome has to get upgraded. It will cost a good amount because their is no drainage for the field, Cycling track and mono track area. Everything will have to get dig up and build over from scratch .

[Football supporter]

The purpose of these community teams is to allow recreation for the nation

cannot give it into control of football because then ordinary man cannot go and play on it.

Football teams need to aquire land and build their own private fields.

or have a team set up in an area that already have a stadium

for example

you have the arima veledrome

we go and build a stadium in malabar by the high way

No proteam play in the veldrome and no crowd in malabar.

Why not just build a team around the veledrome and use some money to build up and maintain the veledrome. Instead of spending money on new stadium.

That might have been the better option.

Because the velodrome is a community field and the same problems will occur.

Everybody wants football in the community, yet nobody will allow it to happen. Clubs don't want to play in the stadiums, but they are the only fields of professional quality BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTROLLED! We have a choice: either everybody stops harping on about playing in the community, or work towards providing the facilities to do so. Clubs do not have $20 million to buy land and build their own stadium.
There's plenty of barren land that could be given to clubs. Banks or even govt could provide cheap loans to allow development once a proper business plan is developed.
But it won't happen because everybody will say that the club owners will make money from it. Well, maybe they will. So what? The land is not being used anyway. But at least if they build a stadium with access for community events then a micro economy will develop where there is none at the moment.
People so afraid that another guy will make some cash, they don't see the huge benefits that emerge from regeneration of areas.

[Football supporter]

To add to my previous rant, the solution to the lack of govt investment/maintenance is private/public partnerships which often occur in council housing estates. Basically, a club, let's say North East Stars, could take on the velodrome and run it as a business. Yes, they will make some money, but the facility will be available to the community in pristine condition, which it isn't at the moment.
Or, a company can take over as facility manager and rent it to North East.
This is what SPORTT should be doing, but because it's a govt enterprise it doesn't benefit from the free market economy. In other words, it has no competition and therefore no reason to succeed.

[Coach]

Brilliant stuff Tallman... Trinidadians really eh know how good we have it.  Granted some of these fields might be no more than cow pastures, but in a country as small as ours we have so many community fields.  I think we take for granted the resources we have.

     Could you imagine that and people still want stadiums build in areas where they can have easy access to watch Football.Tallman you are a genius to come up that stuff.

The issue is not the fields, it's their maintenance and upgrades. The corporations will allow teams to maintain the fields but will not give them control. So you can spend $100k preparing a field and then people come and play small goal, fete match and rugby in the rain on your lovely field and it dries out to be unplayable. Clubs will spend money on local fields but they must also be given control of the venue.
Alternatively, councils should get behind their local team, as in Point Fortin and many, many towns worldwide. It's great for community spirit, it brings money into the community and raises the towns profile. We need people with vision in the corporations.

Maybe when it rains heavy fields should be close this can be a small solution to keep the fields playable.

[Coop's]

Brilliant stuff Tallman... Trinidadians really eh know how good we have it.  Granted some of these fields might be no more than cow pastures, but in a country as small as ours we have so many community fields.  I think we take for granted the resources we have.

     Could you imagine that and people still want stadiums build in areas where they can have easy access to watch Football.Tallman you are a genius to come up that stuff.

The issue is not the fields, it's their maintenance and upgrades. The corporations will allow teams to maintain the fields but will not give them control. So you can spend $100k preparing a field and then people come and play small goal, fete match and rugby in the rain on your lovely field and it dries out to be unplayable. Clubs will spend money on local fields but they must also be given control of the venue.
Alternatively, councils should get behind their local team, as in Point Fortin and many, many towns worldwide. It's great for community spirit, it brings money into the community and raises the towns profile. We need people with vision in the corporations.

   FS i totally agree with you here,you hit the nail on the head,isn't this a responsibility of the ministry of sport?since we have so many fields which are underutilized by the communities why not turn some of them especially those in areas where Football blossoms into Mini stadiums,i can tell you half of those fields are never used for anything,come on the North Coast and you will see what i'm talking about.

[doc]

This is by no means a comprehensive list, and there may be some duplicates or incorrect names, but it's a start.


Tobago
A. P. T. James Park Recreation Ground, (Scarborough)
Bon Accord Recreation Ground, (Bon Accord)
Belle Garden Recreation Ground
Bloody Bay Recreation Ground
Calder Hall Recreation Ground
Carnbee-Mt. Pleasant Recreation Ground, (Mt. Pleasant)
Castara Recreation Ground
Charlotteville Recreation Ground, (Charlotteville)
Dusty Park (Hope)
Goodwood Recreation Ground
Louis d’Or Recreation Ground, (Louis d’Or, Parish of St. Paul)
Lucy Vale Recreation Ground, (Lucy Vale near Speyside)
Mason Hall Recreation Ground, (Mason Hall)
Montgomery Recreation Ground
Moriah Recreation Ground
Mt. Grace Recreation Ground
Mt. Pleasant Recreation Ground
Mt. St. George Recreation Ground, (Mt. St. George)
Plymouth Recreation Ground, (Plymouth)
Richmond Recreation Ground
Roxborough Recreation Ground
Scenic Park Recreation Ground, (Scarborough)
Shaw Park Recreation Ground, (Government Farm)
Speyside Recreation Ground
Table Piece Recreation Ground (Les Coteaux)

Update

[Bakes]

The issue is not the fields, it's their maintenance and upgrades. The corporations will allow teams to maintain the fields but will not give them control. So you can spend $100k preparing a field and then people come and play small goal, fete match and rugby in the rain on your lovely field and it dries out to be unplayable. Clubs will spend money on local fields but they must also be given control of the venue.
Alternatively, councils should get behind their local team, as in Point Fortin and many, many towns worldwide. It's great for community spirit, it brings money into the community and raises the towns profile. We need people with vision in the corporations.

On whose fields??

[Bakes]

Because the velodrome is a community field and the same problems will occur.

Everybody wants football in the community, yet nobody will allow it to happen. Clubs don't want to play in the stadiums, but they are the only fields of professional quality BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTROLLED! We have a choice: either everybody stops harping on about playing in the community, or work towards providing the facilities to do so. Clubs do not have $20 million to buy land and build their own stadium.
There's plenty of barren land that could be given to clubs. Banks or even govt could provide cheap loans to allow development once a proper business plan is developed.
But it won't happen because everybody will say that the club owners will make money from it. Well, maybe they will. So what? The land is not being used anyway. But at least if they build a stadium with access for community events then a micro economy will develop where there is none at the moment.
People so afraid that another guy will make some cash, they don't see the huge benefits that emerge from regeneration of areas.

Land is a finite resource... this is true everwhere in the world.  In a small country such as Trinidad and Tobago this is even more acutely true.  Yet your brilliant suggestion is for the government to just give away state land to a for-profit entity?  Lol, okay.

[Football supporter]

Because the velodrome is a community field and the same problems will occur.

Everybody wants football in the community, yet nobody will allow it to happen. Clubs don't want to play in the stadiums, but they are the only fields of professional quality BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTROLLED! We have a choice: either everybody stops harping on about playing in the community, or work towards providing the facilities to do so. Clubs do not have $20 million to buy land and build their own stadium.
There's plenty of barren land that could be given to clubs. Banks or even govt could provide cheap loans to allow development once a proper business plan is developed.
But it won't happen because everybody will say that the club owners will make money from it. Well, maybe they will. So what? The land is not being used anyway. But at least if they build a stadium with access for community events then a micro economy will develop where there is none at the moment.
People so afraid that another guy will make some cash, they don't see the huge benefits that emerge from regeneration of areas.

Land is a finite resource... this is true everwhere in the world.  In a small country such as Trinidad and Tobago this is even more acutely true.  Yet your brilliant suggestion is for the government to just give away state land to a for-profit entity?  Lol, okay.

Why the sarcasm? Why does everything with you have to become an issue? Bro, when was you last in T&T? The Caroni lands are overgrown and abandoned. There's acres of land that is just left to turn bush. There's half built abandoned buildings which are a blot on the landscape. Travel down the highway from Chaguanas heading south and all you see is scrubland. Now I don't propose that every millimeter be developed, but there has to be 5 acres spare somewhere in each region that could be sensibly developed.
My point is, if clubs cannot develop and control the sacred community grounds, then why not do as other countries and encourage private investment that benefits the community.

[Flex]

Tallman, what kind of computer you have?

 

[Tallman]

Tallman, what kind of computer you have?

 

Is one ah dem laptop dat Kamla and dem give out. 

[Bakes]

Why the sarcasm? Why does everything with you have to become an issue? Bro, when was you last in T&T? The Caroni lands are overgrown and abandoned. There's acres of land that is just left to turn bush. There's half built abandoned buildings which are a blot on the landscape. Travel down the highway from Chaguanas heading south and all you see is scrubland. Now I don't propose that every millimeter be developed, but there has to be 5 acres spare somewhere in each region that could be sensibly developed.
My point is, if clubs cannot develop and control the sacred community grounds, then why not do as other countries and encourage private investment that benefits the community.

 

You know what... it's probably best that I don't respond to anything you say on the forum.

[Football supporter]

Why the sarcasm? Why does everything with you have to become an issue? Bro, when was you last in T&T? The Caroni lands are overgrown and abandoned. There's acres of land that is just left to turn bush. There's half built abandoned buildings which are a blot on the landscape. Travel down the highway from Chaguanas heading south and all you see is scrubland. Now I don't propose that every millimeter be developed, but there has to be 5 acres spare somewhere in each region that could be sensibly developed.
My point is, if clubs cannot develop and control the sacred community grounds, then why not do as other countries and encourage private investment that benefits the community.

 

You know what... it's probably best that I don't respond to anything you say on the forum.

I don't think so, Bakes. I think your opinions are usually valid. But sentences like this are not helpful. "Yet your brilliant suggestion is for the government to just give away state land to a for-profit entity?  Lol, okay." 
I feel you were being sarcastic and belittling my suggestion, a suggestion that I feel it worthy of consideration. Especially as this is a very real problem that clubs like Central must overcome.
However, fortunately - and due to lot of hard work - Central have been offered 3 tracts of land by various organisations. We could just get on with it, but that seems to be the norm for clubs in T&T - look after yourself and sod the rest. But I feel clubs should support each other. There's no point one club having facilities while the league fails because others don't. We all need to look at the collective growth of Pro League clubs. The league will only ever be as strong as it's weakest team.
So sorry if I got a bit defensive, but we need sensible people like you to carefully consider ideas like this and add your thoughts. Everyone complains that administrators don't consider the fans opinions, but I do.
Finally, there are many mechanisms available to allow governments to give land to private businesses, not least long term leases and setting up of community trusts. Like most things that Central do, it's nothing new, but nobody has really tried to emulate clubs from other countries.

[Bakes]

I don't think so, Bakes. I think your opinions are usually valid. But sentences like this are not helpful. "Yet your brilliant suggestion is for the government to just give away state land to a for-profit entity?  Lol, okay." 
I feel you were being sarcastic and belittling my suggestion, a suggestion that I feel it worthy of consideration. Especially as this is a very real problem that clubs like Central must overcome.
However, fortunately - and due to lot of hard work - Central have been offered 3 tracts of land by various organisations. We could just get on with it, but that seems to be the norm for clubs in T&T - look after yourself and sod the rest. But I feel clubs should support each other. There's no point one club having facilities while the league fails because others don't. We all need to look at the collective growth of Pro League clubs. The league will only ever be as strong as it's weakest team.
So sorry if I got a bit defensive, but we need sensible people like you to carefully consider ideas like this and add your thoughts. Everyone complains that administrators don't consider the fans opinions, but I do.
Finally, there are many mechanisms available to allow governments to give land to private businesses, not least long term leases and setting up of community trusts. Like most things that Central do, it's nothing new, but nobody has really tried to emulate clubs from other countries.

Yes you did get "a bit defensive" and unnecessarily so.  Yes my use of "brilliant" was sarcastic but how does that rise to the level of becoming "an issue"?  You said what you said, I gave my opinion of your suggestion and that's an "issue"?  The fact of the matter is that land concerns are very complicated in Trinidad, particularly where public land is concerned.  I know this from personal experience derived from selling property that was once 'Crown' land, but which over the course of 35 years, was bought free and clear.  Even so, just to transfer title I had to secure a release from the Government. 

All of this to illustrate to you how complicated an issue of transfering public land is.  As well it should be, for all the reasons mentioned earlier.  Land is not a renewable resource and any gifting of public land should be done only as a last resort... since it cannot be taken back once given (unless so provided for).  Further, by placing it into private hands the land will be removed from public use/access.  Just because the land is underdeveloped or seems like "bush" to you that doesn't mean that it should be given to some private for-profit entity for development... not with our green spaces shrinking on a daily basis.  No one thinks of preservation for the future... just present consumption and 'development'.  Look, football is your livelihood and is very important to you.  So that is the angle from which you're approaching this.  In the grand scheme of things however football is very insignificant.  I am much more concerned with the conservation and the fate of the environment.  In light of the so-called "eat ah food" mentality we seeing for the past 3 1/2 years under this present government, the last thing we need is for more public resources to be gifted into the hands of private entities.

[weary1969]

Tallman, what kind of computer you have?

 

Is one ah dem laptop dat Kamla and dem give out. 

Then d anti theft device eh wuk how u end up wit 1?

[Flex]

Sportt to give Eddie Hart grounds facelift.
T&T Guardian Reports.

Eddie Hart Grounds and Golden Grove Savannah will soon be a regional sporting centre.

The Sports Company of T&T (SPORTT) has been mandated to develop this sporting hub to accommodate multi-purpose sporting surfaces and amenities, so that quality surfaces can be easily accessible to nationals wanting to participate in sporting activities, up and coming athletes through community clubs and groups, while retaining green spaces for casual recreational users, in a safe environment.

Facilities will include an international standard football field on the east ground with stadium lighting; an athletics track on the east ground with lighting; a 900-seat covered pavilion, with dedicated changing facilities for players, public toilets and concessionaire spaces, and an indoor sporting facility building that will contain:

a) 25m swimming pool

b) Open gymnasium area

c) Aerobics and Spin Class Area

d) Boxing and Martial arts area

e) Multi-purpose Court

f) Squash Area
 
g) Administrative Offices

h) Change room, Shower and Toilet Facilities.

There are also plans for an international standard cricket field on the west ground with stadium lighting; a dedicated jogging path on the east ground with lighting; two (2) small goal football courts with lighting and a children’s play park with equipment.

A release from the Sports Company stated that the enhancement of the savannah was for sporting endeavours and will facilitate individuals who live in communities from San Juan to Arima who can use the established transport routes (Eastern Main Road and Priority Bus Route) to participate in sporting activities on upgraded fields and surfaces for cricket, football, netball and basketball.

Additionally, there will be a 25m indoor swimming pool at the indoor facility which can be used to address the lack of water competency skills of many. Outside of the community swimming pool in Sangre Grande, this will be the only public (ie free) swimming pool along the East-West Corridor, making it a vital addition to the fitness and health needs of the communities in this area.

According to the release: “All of the areas on the western end of the facility including the play park, recreation/picnic area, jogging track and cricket field will not be fenced and will therefore encourage community use as currently obtains. The only proposed fenced areas will be the football field and its surrounding athletic training track as well as the indoor facility.

These are the only areas that will require some level of formal scheduling for structured sporting events, but as part of the daily operation, citizens will be free to access and use these amenities at any time.”

The Sports Company is also examining the feasibility of setting up a community management committee drawn from the various interest groups to provide oversight for the entire ground/ centre once all works are completed. This is one way to ensure that the interests of the community will always be a priority.

Following recent consultations there were concerns raised by interest groups and current users of the savannah/grounds about the destruction of green space to erect concrete structures. However, almost 85 percent of total area under development will be grassed.

In order to address other key areas of the concern the following adjustments have been proposed.

These adjustments include: phasing of construction to minimise interruption to ongoing sporting activities increased width and length of jogging/running track to accommodate the large volume of casual athletes use of eco-friendly, permeable materials for the car park for drainage purposes preservation of water sources in the construction phase and the conservation of energy in the facility’s operation

The proposed centre/ground is meant to benefit the largest possible number of persons as they engage in sport and physical recreation. Far from displacing current users or interrupting the free flow of breeze and green space, the intent is to create an aesthetically pleasing and functional area that citizens will enjoy for generations.

It is hoped that not only will persons be able to stay healthy but also that many successful elite athletes will get their start in Tacarigua. Ultimately, sport must become inimical to our culture and livelihood and this facility is one means of achieving this lofty goal.

[Football supporter]

This is great news. But given the continuing calls for professional football being played in the community, why don't they make provision for 2,000 seats? Won't cost that much more. I know there is no Pro League club situated near to Eddie Hart......but there could be!!

Would also be a nice alternative option for Jabloteh, North East and Defence Force.

[Sam]

What is the purpose of building and fixing fields and they not maintaining it?

Waste of money.

De Manny Ramjohn fix yet? or Prakash gone with de money?

[Flex]

Eddie Hart upgrade critically necessary
By Vinode Mamchan

While there has been a lot of noise about the loss of green space at the Eddie Hart Grounds and Golden Grove Savannah, I wonder if the residents are thinking about the young ones, or just being emotional and fearing change which is so feared in T&T.

George Bernard Shaw once said that: “Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.”

I am getting the feeling that this is the problem in the East. The development of the area known as the Eddie Hart Grounds and Golden Grove Savannah into a regional sporting centre/ground is one that has been in the making for the past 10 years but only now coming to fruition.

So having heard all the noise about what should and should not be done to the areas in question, I decided to walk across to the SPORTT company on Henry Street to get an understanding of what is planned.

When I left, I was converted and I am sorry, if the people of the area who are opposed to this development are aware of what is planned, then they can only be ‘backward thinkers’.
Let me address some of the concerns that have surfaced.

One of the major one is that people are saying that the savannah represents a special space for family and most families in the community because it has served to hold the community together. I was told that all of the areas on the Western end of the facility including the play park, recreation/picnic area, jogging track and Cricket Field will not be fenced and will therefore encourage community use as currently obtains.

The only proposed fenced areas will be the football field and its surrounding athletic training track as well as the indoor facility. These are the only areas that will require some level of formal scheduling for structured sporting events, but as part of the daily operation, citizens will be free to access and use these amenities at any time. Following recent consultations there were concerns raised by interest groups and current users of the savannah/grounds about the destruction of green space to erect concrete structures. However, almost 85 percent of total area under development will be grassed, I am told.

In order to address other key areas of concern, the following adjustments have been proposed by SPORTT. These adjustments include, phasing of construction to minimise interruption to ongoing sporting activities, increased width and length of jogging/running track to accommodate the large volume of casual athletes, use of eco-friendly, permeable materials for the car park for drainage purposes and preservation of water sources in the construction phase and the conservation of energy in the facility’s operation.

Due to the small ratio of the proposed paved areas to the overall area, the impact of these works on aquifer recharge was considered negligible and all WASA stations have been maintained in the proposed design. The investigation of a softer paved surface as mentioned in the previous point will also remove this concern as percolation will be allowed through this surface.

The Sports Company of T&T is mandated to develop this sporting hub to accommodate multi-purpose sporting surfaces and amenities. The purpose of this regional centre is to make quality surfaces more easily accessible to nationals wanting to participate in formal/informal sporting activities, up and coming athletes through community clubs and groups, while retaining green spaces for casual recreational users, in a safe environment.

The proposed facilities that is sure to benefit everyone are as follows: An international standard football field on the east ground with stadium lighting. An athletics track on the east ground with lighting.

A 900-seat covered pavilion, with dedicated changing facilities for players, public toilets and concessionaire spaces. An indoor sporting facility building that will contain: a 25m swimming pool, an open gymnasium area, an aerobics and spin class area, a boxing and martial arts area, a multi-purpose court, a squash area, administrative offices, a change room, shower and toilet facilities. An international standard cricket field on the west ground with stadium lighting.

A dedicated jogging path on the east ground with lighting. Two (2) small goal football courts with lighting and a children’s play park with equipment. As a sports journalist, I have encountered many sporting officials and athletes and time and time again they talk about lack of facilities.

They make one trip outside this country and come back and criticise in their words ‘our backwardness’. Here is a situation where SPORTT in taking the athletes into the first world and yet we rather oppose and just hinder necessary progress. Let’s hope that good sense prevails and sport in this country can continue to move upward.